“If the universe did not contain the possibility of evil, it would not be the universe, but God Himself.”
—Charles Upton
If God can do anything, can he create a rock too heavy for Him to lift? This is the Lucifer Conundrum, in a childlike nutshell.
As you’ll see, I prefer to keep this subject childlike. Becoming as little children may be our best, or only, way out of Hell. I will let author Charles Upton do the grown-up stuff:
Lucifer represents not the descent from Principle into manifestation, but the potential, on every level of the ontological hierarchy, for delusion, privation, and subversion—the concrete manifestation of which, however, is only made possible by that very descent. As the “light bearer” he is symbolic, in his unfallen mode, of the Nous, the First Intellect, the first eternal motion of God’s knowledge of Himself as “other.” In his fallen mode, he symbolizes the possibility of spiritual subversion and metaphysical error on the highest possible level—in terms of the human microcosm, the subversion the Nous (which appears, in the Qur’an, as the refusal of Eblis to bow down to Adam). The Nous, the Uncreated Intellect within man, cannot be subverted in its essence, but it most certainly can be counterfeited and veiled.
Me, I need a break from intellectual heavy-lifting. Whenever we use our intellect (Nous), we are in danger of falling, like the L‑guy, into the crater created by His impact, after he plummeted like a rock from Heaven. That original landing, in fact (or myth), was the starting pistol that got the human race running.
But back to the rock (kephas): the esoteric version of that childlike saying is: Can God Create a Being So Evil that His Infinite Mercy Cannot Save Him? The answer to this, as to all conundrums, is Yes and No (or No and Yes).
Charles Upton is a Moslem and his wife is a Catholic (I spoke to both for The Liminalist recently). When it comes to deciphering esoteric Judeo-Christian doctrine, sincerely and devoutly, they have the edge on me. Specifically, Charles’ “The Fall of Lucifer” (included in Vectors of the Counter-Initiation) is sampled below, with occasional commentary from myself. If you only like pictures, skip to the comic (click on image for larger view).
[E]vil, privative though it be, does not manifest simply as a kind of weakness or lack, but also as attack, subversion, and counterfeit.… Hell is not a neutral chaos, but an inverted order; not a loveless indifference, but an active attack upon Love; not a stupid impermeability to metaphysical Truth, but a swift, ingenious and infernally “intelligent” war upon that Truth. As a parasite on order, evil forms its own counterfeit order, chaotic in essence but nonetheless marshaled into a semblance of order through naked power.…
Does any of this sound familiar in 2021–2? If this world is a mirror for the state of our body, our soul, and the many layers of psychic, emotional, and mental obfuscation (trauma) that come between them, then the current worldwide attack on the human body, by viral and vaccine bio-weapons, is perhaps only the coarsest and most visibly malevolent front-line of an organized and ancient attack upon the human soul.
[T]hose who in their spiritual life overly concentrate on the intellective pole, the realm of metaphysics, to the detriment of the existential pole … may foolishly believe that it is relatively easy … to “rise above” evil, that there is really no such thing as “spiritual wickedness in high places.” Such complacency is not derived from true metaphysical insight, however—which includes the gift known as “discernment of spirits”—but from that state of spiritual delusion which [reduces] metaphysics to an abstract, academic exercise, a parlor game for people who want to entertain themselves with religion instead of saving their souls by means of it.…
There can be no evil in the Divine realm; the seeds of evil do exist in the celestial realm, but they remain latent since they have no context for deployment; it is only in the psychic realm that evil actually constellates as a subversive force [emphasis added]. [E]vil only makes its appearance at the end of the trajectory of cosmic manifestation—not at the ultimate end, however, which is matter, but rather on the psychic plane, where “worlds” constructed with the ego not God as their proximate cause first become possible.
Translation: bad shit begins at the top, but it only really starts to stink once it has moved down the system, and come out the baby’s bottom. It is necessary that evil come into this would, but woe unto those through whom it comes, and unto those who think their shit doth not stink.
In our recent conversation, Upton said that Lucifer was eternally damned because He made His fatal decision (not to serve God) in eternity and not in time. But if Lucifer’s damnation, or Fall, came about as a reaction against entering into the realm of separation, of matter, and of temporal not eternal, physical not spiritual, reality, which is the chicken and which the egg? Does the sin cause the trauma, or does the trauma create the sin? Does the intellectual faculty come about as a result of egoic separation, or is it what makes such separation possible? Yes, and No.
[T]he etiology of the fall of Lucifer is, precisely, the etiology of the ego.… That man has a body is not evil, though that body is subject to many evils. That he lives in a material world is not evil, though matter and material concerns are a heavy veil. The nature and activity of the Devil must not be sought in these mere facts of earthly man’s existence, but in the satanic subversion of the true significance of them. [emphasis added].
The devil’s greatest trick was to get people to believe he didn’t exist. And for those he couldn’t fool that way, he gave the tools (intellectual analysis, mythic imaging, high-conceptualization, even psychic inquiry) by which they would attempt to understand and do battle with him. To propagate an endless circle-jerk of spiritual bypassers and displacement activists, staring at goats and practicing Mind over Mater, while being slowly & inexoraby consumed by Satan’s digestive fluids.
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Thank you Jasun, ‘specially for the ‘translation’ and audio. Your writing far exceeds my intellect.….and yet from our mutual correspondence it seems obvious to me we are connected outside the sphere of nous. Only moments prior to reading and hearing your words on this page I wrote you I couldn’t comment on a previous post as I felt I was waiting for, as you so concisely said, ‘the mist to turn to rain’. Exactly as you put it, it’s not thinking. Although thinking may be a prerequisite…there is that old term we used long ago, ‘non-local conciseness’ which still seems to be valid.
p.s. re; Mr Upton’s quote top of the page.…It seems like a limiting statement to dismiss the master of the universe as a separate entity. Deep stuff
At this moment, I believe God created good, evil and gave us free will to decide our individual paths, mistakes and repentance. Our good decisions and shadow work w/ repentance nudges the balance of our collective judgement one way or the other.….my apologies for the separate posts. It’s very misty here, but only scattered showers.
Hi Jasun,
I so often realise so many ideas that I have never before considered when reading or listening to the words you share.
The causal link between the ego/intellect split of the Original Fall and the trauma of the Event itself as a fundamental schizmogenesis (to borrow your word) that set us on a path of endless iterations of the same.
Your conversation with Mr Upton made me think for the 1st time of the possibility that the Original Sin/Fall/ Trauma and subsequent Luciferian inversions of the divine order may eventually lead to an Ultimate Repentance as ALL eyes shall see the Glory of God.
I pray that the world might not be a done deal and that at the moment of Gods choosing there might be Mercy from a Just and Faithful God. 1 John 1:9.
Thankyou for sharing your journey and thoughts. and Happy New Year (Praying for a Happy Eternity).
BN
Ps. Still listening to 16 Maps . Absolute cracker of a book. Going to need to order a paper back for reference. (So many twisting pathways).
hi Blake
perhaps to the soul emerging, the world is a done deal in the same way the caterpillar is a done deal
I could never have imagined what a challenging transition that is for the cells of the caterpillar both for the imaginals and the old gatekeepers. I just read this brief article and it reminded me to imagine and give energy to the future colours. https://augustocuginotti.com/imaginal-cells-caterpillars-job-to-resist-butterfly/
NB as always its a case of wise as serpents and innocent as doves. No shortage of counterfeit wings it seems as we emerge.
To be honest the last time I checked out Auticulture was somewhere back in 2020 and Jasun was talking about hollywood, hell, pedos, etc.
My wife and I became paralyzed by the anxiety of knowing all too much about the machinations of the Second Matrix. So at the start of 2021 I cancelled my alt-news subscriptions, ditched my smartphone and decided that I was only going to focus my energy into solutions. Since that decision the following has occurred:
‑a three day fast aroused a primal voice from my stomach that commanded me to flee interstate for the safety of my family.
‑as we crossed the border the totalitarian-covidian state of New South Wales commenced operation Draco right behind us. The hard border commenced 2 days after we made it out.
‑we drove over 3000km to take refuge in a primative off-grid dwelling deep in the forest in an area I like to call the Texas of Australia.
‑as we lay at night with our then 6 month old child and no electricity or phone signal, being engulfed by nature in total abstinence of Ahriman we faced the terror of our own inequities. There was only one way out…
Repent! The only thing that prevented me from having a total mental breakdown was the ceaseless repetion of the Jesus Prayer. As a former ‘sorceror’ I could not believe I was doing this.
‑We emerged from this experience into a new life being baptised in a local rainforest creek and bought a 3 acre property on the edge of a small town.
‑Everyday I now work in the garden striving toward growing food for my family and community. As I work I pray to God for guidance and salvation.
Fastfoward to today and as I am searching for an intersting blog to read I think ’ I wonder what Jasun is up to nowadays’. You can imagine my surprise/relief as I arrive at the Auticulture homepage only to be lead here.
It turns out I’m not crazy and I’m not the only one.
God bless you Jasun.
wonderful testimony… so strange & confirming!
I’m in the land of Oz too and it was good to read your journey Dan. Enjoy being in the flow of nature and listening to the rhythms of Heart and Earth.